For Jenn Re: sign language
 For Jenn Re: sign language




 Theme: For Jenn Re: sign language
Date: 29/11/00 
 Author: SeriouslySalty
 
On Fri, 24 Nov 2000 07:44:49 -0700, "Scuba-Chin"
wrote and since I have Supernews, it's
amazing that I could even see it:

>Sign language is a dying language, and as a speech-language pathologist
>working with hearing impaired and/or non-verbal individuals, I do not
>advocate the use of it nor do I teach it to any of my students. Why teach a
>language to someone that will make their communication attempts in the
>everyday world extremely limited? How many folks in the real world know
>sign language? Not many. I prefer to provide these individuals with a
>communication method that EVERYONE can understand and that will not limit
>them. With ever advancing technology, the use of voice output
>alternative/augmentative communication devices has increased dramatically
>and effectively.
>Sorry...not the opinion you were looking for, I'm sure. But with that
>opinion, I do agree with you to some extent....SCUBA is the only practical
>use for sign language that I can see and that I would advocate.
>Jenn

I answered : On Fri, 24 Nov 2000 12:06:10 -0500, SeriouslySalty
wrote :
I'm surprised to hear you say this Jenn. I have a friend who is a
speech pathologist also...as well as a scuba instructor and she also
has a deaf-mute brother in law. She teaches it a good bit. One of
the kids that I work with is non-verbal and he's learning to sign.
He's 3 and does pretty well with it for his age. However, you are
absolutely right that signing is only effective when both parties can
use it. I need to brush up my signing skills with this little guy
because he often signs to me and I don't know what he is saying.
Thinking about the kids and adults on vents that I've worked.... most
did not learn to sign. One little girl had a computer that would talk
for her... in a male voice that was quite robotic in quality. It was
very effective for her but I understand that these are somewhat cost
prohibitive. Are you seeing more insurance companies being willing to
fork out the money for these machines ?
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I don't see an answer from you but I worked with this little guy again
today and some thoughts came to my mind on this topic. I'd like to
share them with you. First, he is only 3. He can and does sign
pretty well for his age. I don't think an computer speech board would
help him for several reasons. He would simply push the buttons over
and over again to hear a pleasing sound. He does this with his Elmo
toys and musical toys. Secondly, even though he's 3, he can not
walk. This means that he can't carry his computer board with
him....unlike the little girl that I had on the vent. She was 9 yrs
old and hers fastened to her motorized wheelchair. It was a great
help to her at school but I think this little guy can do much better
in communicating his basic needs by sign language because he isn't
bombarded with so many different ppl like a child would be at school.
Also, I'm thinking of the diagnosis/prognosis of the patient. If you
have a patient who's able to use a computer speech board and their
prognosis is such that it will leave them in the same condition for
some time, then a computer speech board may be a benefit. However,
with some of the kids that I work with, their prognosis is labile and
I doubt that a parent or insurance company is going to spend 6 or 9
thousand dollars for one of these machines if the patient can't use it
for an extended period. The Commonwealth of PA has a program that
gives patients these computer speech boards for free but only as a
loan. The typical loan period is like 3 to 6 months.
Third, we have coupled a picture book with signing with this little
guy. He simply points to an item in his book if he can't sign. When
I say "if he can't sign", I mean this ----- I'm not sure that he
always runs on the same frequency in terms of thought. He has a
cancerous brain tumor that was operated on once but has grown back.
I think that at times he actually "blanks out" and becomes
aphasic...not remembering the sign. The surgery and damage to the
brain from the tumor is why he can't speak...and why he can't walk.
His picture book is made up of actual photos we have taken with a
camera of things he might want or need.... ie. cookies, juice, all
kinds of food, the potty, all his toys, medicine for pain, his
crib to sleep, his dog (an alive pet), his blanket, etc. This
method of communication is very effective at times. Other times, it
isn't and he won't sign...he just cries and cries. At these times,
we usually give him a dose of morphine and he settles down. He's been
having alot of ear infections lately and he's very cranky then.
Sometimes he will point to his ear and then you know to give him
Tylenol... or morphine. Usually he'll need morphine if he cries for a
while because that increases the pressure in his head. :(
Since this is your field of expertise, any thoughts that you have on
this are ohhhh soooo welcome !!! It is most frustrating for me...and
the other nurses... when he is unhappy and needs something that we


 Messages historical
 Message
Author
Date
  For Jenn Re: sign languageSeriouslySalty29/11/00
   Re: For Jenn Re: sign languageDan Bracuk01/12/00
   Re: For Jenn Re: sign language Scuba-Chin 30/11/00
    Re: For Jenn Re: sign language Scuba-Chin 30/11/00
    Re: For Jenn Re: sign languageSeriouslySalty30/11/00
    Re: For Jenn Re: sign languageSeriouslySalty01/12/00
     Re: For Jenn Re: sign languageSeriouslySalty01/12/00
    Re: For Jenn Re: sign languageSeriouslySalty01/12/00
     Re: For Jenn Re: sign language Mike Painter 01/12/00
     Re: For Jenn Re: sign language Scuba-Chin 01/12/00
      Re: For Jenn Re: sign languageSeriouslySalty01/12/00
       Re: For Jenn Re: sign language Scuba-Chin 01/12/00
       Re: For Jenn Re: sign language Mike Painter 01/12/00
        Re: For Jenn Re: sign language Scuba-Chin 02/12/00
        Re: For Jenn Re: sign languageSeriouslySalty02/12/00
        Re: For Jenn Re: sign languageSeriouslySalty02/12/00
      Re: For Jenn Re: sign languageSeriouslySalty07/12/00
       Re: For Jenn Re: sign language Scuba-Chin 07/12/00





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